Plato and the New Mythology of German Idealism Tae-Yeoun Keum Harvard University.

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1 Plato and the New Mythology of German Idealism Tae-Yeoun Keum Harvard University

2 First I will speak of an idea here that, as far as I know, has still not occurred to anyone else. We must have a new mythology, but this mythology must be in the service of the ideas; it must be a mythology of reason. Zuerst werde ich hier von einer Idee sprechen, die, soviel ich weiß, noch in keines Menschen Sinn gekommen ist – wir müssen eine neue Mythologie haben, diese Mythologie aber muß im Dienste der Ideen stehen, sie muß eine Mythologie der Vernunft werden. - Oldest Systematic Program of German Idealism (1795/6)

3 First I will speak of an idea here that, as far as I know, has still not occurred to anyone else. We must have a new mythology, but this mythology must be in the service of the ideas; it must be a mythology of reason. Zuerst werde ich hier von einer Idee sprechen, die, soviel ich weiß, noch in keines Menschen Sinn gekommen ist – wir müssen eine neue Mythologie haben, diese Mythologie aber muß im Dienste der Ideen stehen, sie muß eine Mythologie der Vernunft werden. - Oldest Systematic Program of German Idealism (1795/6)

4 First I will speak of an idea here that, as far as I know, has still not occurred to anyone else. We must have a new mythology, but this mythology must be in the service of the ideas; it must be a mythology of reason. Zuerst werde ich hier von einer Idee sprechen, die, soviel ich weiß, noch in keines Menschen Sinn gekommen ist – wir müssen eine neue Mythologie haben, diese Mythologie aber muß im Dienste der Ideen stehen, sie muß eine Mythologie der Vernunft werden. - Oldest Systematic Program of German Idealism (1795/6)

5 What is new about the new mythology?

6 Johann Gottfried von Herder, On the New Use of Mythology (1767) // Vom neurern Gebrauch der Mythologie Francis Bacon, The Wisdom of the Ancients (1609) // De Sapientia Veterum Giambattista Vico, The New Science (1725) // Scienza Nuova Johann Joachim Winckelmann, Thoughts on the Imitation of Greek Works in Painting and Sculpture (1755) // Gedanken über die Nachahmung der griechischen Werke in der Malerei und Bildhauerkunst History of Ancient Art (1764) // Geschichte der Kunst des Altertuns (1764)

7 Johann Gottfried von Herder, On the New Use of Mythology (1767) // Vom neurern Gebrauch der Mythologie Goethe Friedrich Schiller

8 By the time of Goethe it was possible to speak rationally of myth. - Christopher Jamme, Portraying Myth More Convincingly: Critical Approahces to Myth in the Classical and Romantic Periods, in International Journal of Philosophical Studies 12, no. 1 (2004): 29-45, 34.

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10 What is new about the new mythology? 1. The New Mythology 2. The Platonism of the German Romantics 3.Platonic mythology for the new age

11 1 The New Mythology

12 What did the German Romantics mean by the new mythology?

13 The argument of the Oldest Systematic Program for: the abolition of the state a new mythology * The OSP calls for an ethics for the coming age. Ethics as a system of all ideas However, the state is not an idea. We must therefore go beyond the state!

14 The argument of the Oldest Systematic Program for: the abolition of the state a new mythology * The state is not one of the ideas that make up the ethics, but other ideas are. These ideas are subordinate to higher idea: beauty In the service of the idea of beauty, philosophy must become aesthetic, like poetry. The philosophy of the spirit is an aesthetic philosophy.

15 The argument of the Oldest Systematic Program for: the abolition of the state a new mythology * Similarly in the service of the ideas, we must have a new mythology Just as philosophy must become aesthetic in accordance with the highest idea, Ideas themselves should be made aesthetic, i.e. mythological mythology must become philosophical … philosophy must become mythological

16 the abolition of the state a new mythology

17 … through reason itself the overthrow of all superstition… …absolute freedom of all sprits, which carry the intellectual world in themselves… …the highest act of reason is an aesthetic act since it comprises all ideas… Monotheism of reason and the heart…

18 Friedrich Schlegel, Dialogue on Poesy (1799) // Gesprach über die Poesie Poetry befriends and bonds all those who love it with indissoluble ties. Alle Gemüter, die sie lieben, befreundet und bindet Poesie mit unauflöslichen Banden.

19 Friedrich Schlegel, Dialogue on Poesy (1799) // Gesprach über die Poesie Reason is unitary and is the same in everyone; but just as each person has his own nature and his own love, so too does he carry his own poesy inside himself. Die Vernunft ist nur eine und in allen dieselbe: wie aber jeder Mensch seine eigne Natur hat und seine eigne Liebe, so trägt auch jeder seine eigne Poesie in sich.

20 Friedrich Schlegel, Dialogue on Poesy (1799) // Gesprach über die Poesie Our poesy … lacks a midpoint as mythology was for the poetry of the ancients, and modern poetic arts inferiority to classical poetic art can be summarized in the words: we have no mythology. Es fehlt... unsrer Poesie an einem Mittelpunkt, wie es die Mythologie für die der Alten war, und alles Wesentliche, worin die moderne Dichtkunst der antiken nachsteht, läßt sich in die Worte zusammenfassen: Wir haben keine Mythologie.

21 Friedrich Schlegel, Dialogue on Poesy (1799) // Gesprach über die Poesie Our poesy … lacks a midpoint as mythology was for the poetry of the ancients, and modern poetic arts inferiority to classical poetic art can be summarized in the words: we have no mythology. Es fehlt... unsrer Poesie an einem Mittelpunkt, wie es die Mythologie für die der Alten war, und alles Wesentliche, worin die moderne Dichtkunst der antiken nachsteht, läßt sich in die Worte zusammenfassen: Wir haben keine Mythologie.

22 unity in diversity the new mythology provides

23 A shared midpoint of poetry and of poets Parallel in Greek mythology (canonical) Diverse poetry grounded in it (poetry draws from mythology) Diverse poetry arrive at it (poetry builds up material for mythology) Celebrates diverse individuality of poetry and its poets Community-building the new mythology is

24 F.W.J. Schelling, System of Transcendental Idealism (1800) // System des transcendentalen Idealismus Philosophy was born and nourished by poetry in the infancy of knowledge, and with it all those sciences it has guided toward perfection. We may thus expect them, on completion, to flow back like so many individual streams into the universal ocean of poetry from which they took their source. Nor is it in general difficult to say what the medium [Mittelglied] for this return of science to poetry will be; for in mythology such a medium existed, before the occurrence of a breach now seemingly beyond repair…

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26 A shared midpoint of poetry and of poets A midpoint between historical stages of human knowledge (sciences and poetry) the new mythology is

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28 A shared midpoint of poetry and of poets A midpoint between historical stages of human knowledge (sciences and poetry) The apparatus of the organic state the new mythology is

29 Friedrich Schlegel, Dialogue on Poesy (1799) // Gesprach über die Poesie Mythology has one great advantage. What otherwise eternally flees consciousness can be seen here sensually-spiritually and held fast … This is actually the point: because of the highest, we do not depend so entirely on our mind alone. Einen großen Vorzug hat die Mythologie. Was sonst das Bewußtsein ewig flieht, ist hier dennoch sinnlich geistig zu schauen, und festgehalten... Das ist der, daß wir uns wegen des Höchsten nicht so ganz allein auf unser Gemüt verlassen.

30 A shared midpoint of poetry and of poets A midpoint between historical stages of human knowledge The apparatus of the organic state A way of grasping knowledge that escapes conscious reason the new mythology is

31 Oldest Systematic Program of German Idealism (1795/6) // Das älteste Systemprogramm des deutschen Idealismus Finally, the idea that unites all others, the idea of beauty, taking the word in a higher Platonic sense. Zuletzt die Idee, die alle vereinigt, die Idee der Schönheit, das Wort in höherem platonischen Sinne genommen.

32 unity in diversity the new mythology provides (through the highest ideal) (approximations of the highest ideal)

33 2 The Platonism of the German Romantics

34 How do the German Romantics Platonism relate to their conception of the new mythology?

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36 This is what it is to go aright, or be led by another, into the mystery of Love: one goes always upwards for the sake of this Beauty, starting out from beautiful things and using them like rising stairs: from one body to two and from two to all beautiful bodies, then from beautiful bodies to beautiful customs, and from customs to learning beautiful things, and from these lessons he arrives in the end at this lesson, which is learning of this very Beauty, so that in the end he comes to know just what it is to be beautiful. - Symposium, 211c-d

37 Friedrich Schlegel, Dialogue on Poesy (1799) // Gesprach über die Poesie For Plato, on the other hand, representation and its perfection and beauty are not means, but rather an end in themselves. That is why, strictly speaking, his form is already thoroughly poetic. Dem Plato hingegen ist die Darstellung und ihre Vollkommenheit und Schönheit nicht Mittel, sondern Zweck an sich. Darum ist schon seine Form, streng genommen, durchaus poetisch.

38 Friedrich Schleiermacher, Introduction to Platos Works (1804) // Einleitung, Platons Werke What is anticipated mythically more often than not appears later in its scientific form.... es wäre im Ganzen mit der hier vorgeschlagenen Folge derselbe Fall, indem nach dieser nicht selten mythisch antizipiert wird, was erst später in seiner wissenschaftlichen Gestalt erscheint.

39 Friedrich Schleiermacher, Introduction to Platos Works (1804) // Einleitung, Platons Werke Whoever first enters the study of Plato will most distinctly appreciate the gradual development and formation of the Platonic myths out of one Ground- myth … Ja wer erst tiefer in das Studium des Platon eindringt, dem wird die allmähliche Entwicklung und Ausbildung der Platonischen Mythen aus Einem Grundmythos... am deutlichsten wahrnehmen läßt.

40 F.W.J. Schelling Timaeus (1794)

41 Friedrich Hölderlin, Hyperion (1797-9) And if I spoke a warm word about ancient Greece, they yawned and declared that one had to live in the present; and another added with an air of significance that still today, good taste had not vanished. … One quipped like a sailor and another puffed out his cheeks and preached maxims.

42 Friedrich Hölderlin, Hyperion (1797-9) To ward off flies, that is our work in the future; and to gnaw at the things of the world as children gnaw at the dried iris root, that is our joy in the end. To grow old among youthful people seems to me a pleasure, but to grow old where all is old seems to me worse than all else.

43 Friedrich Hölderlin, Preface to Hyperion (1797-9) Holy Plato, forgive us! We have sinned greatly against you Heiliger Plato, vergib! Man hat schwer an dir gesündigt

44 unity in diversity the new mythology provides (with history and the present time) (approximations of the highest ideal) (through the highest ideal)

45 A shared midpoint of poetry and of poets A midpoint between historical stages of human knowledge The apparatus of the organic state A way of grasping knowledge that escapes conscious reason the new mythology is A way of understanding the present age

46 Friedrich Hölderlin, Hyperion (1797-9) O! nonetheless, nonetheless I would be a stranger on earth, and no god would link me to the past anymore. … So I came among the Germans.

47 3 Platonic Mythology for the New Age

48 the task Needed a new mythology But they understood mythology in terms of the old, in particular Plato The new mythology has to do for the present age what Platos myths did for his age

49 unity in diversity the new mythology provides (with history and the present time) (approximations of the highest ideal) (through the highest ideal) | equality

50 Mythic Platonism for the new age Written collectively, not just by one person Need to bring classes together Need to develop full potential of every individual